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Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  eSilva on Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:22 pm

Hi peeps! (no not the candy xD)

Well, as I'm not trying to open a discussion this time but rather an open invitation to conversation (in any form) I decided to post this topic here ^_^

Topic: Homosexualtiy in Nature. (as in the animal kingdom)

I think I've mentioned gay animals on this forum before somewhere but anyway...

Let's start off with a bit of a scenario. Ok- you're walking along, going about your business, and you find two male dogs "going at it". However you understand that this does not necessarily mean that these two dogs are gay but rather that one is "dominating" the other in order to show and express that he is the Alpha and in doing this he is asserting his position. Yet after seeing this you start to wonder about animals who actually indulge or rather just participate/practice homosexuality not as a way to establish dominance only but, for pleasure as well- recreational even Wink. So as you carry on about your business-- what are your thoughts afterward?

Have at it Wink
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As for my thoughts on it, just to give my two cents. I find it hilarious to see gay animals and rather comforting. There are nearly about 1,500 species of animals that express homosexual behavior and about 500 that are well documented so I have to conclude that being gay really isn't against nature but in fact is part of nature. I think that this is evidence to believe, to at least really consider, that being gay or even having gay "tendencies" is not something learned or something off balanced in the brain but is in fact part of nature. And honestly who doesn't think the gay penguins at the zoos aren't cute? (yes, I know that some don't- still cute tho Smile) So in this aspect it's a nature vs nurture issue and for me...nature seems to be winning this battle.
Of course however those who give more credit to certain beliefs systems would have a bit of a problem. Fair enough- as those who don't believe humans to be part of the animal kingdom would definitely disregard this as being creditable but since most of society uses evolution, the double helix-DNA, and right down to the chromosomes being used as a way to find similarities/links within ourselves to the rest of the animal kingdom- it's hard to look over or deny.


I have more to say but I'd rather just open with this Smile
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  alain1609 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:06 pm

all this ANIMALS ARE GAY is (for me) a stupidity (i don't consider anyone who thinks otherwise stupid) it makes no sense, animals are no homosexual in the same way humans are, some animals may hump the same sex but that is NOT because they are gay but because they are animals and will hump anything...a dog, a cat, your leg, a pillow, its bed, etc.

And the whole penguin thing, male penguins usually DO take care of the egg!! this whole pinguin thing as just gay propoganda. it is nothing special or GAY! its survival and protection of the egg, the hatching and nesting is part of the role they're taking.

Of course however those who give more credit to certain beliefs systems would have a bit of a problem. Fair enough- as those who don't believe humans to be part of the animal kingdom would definitely disregard this as being creditable but since most of society uses evolution, the double helix-DNA, and right down to the chromosomes being used as a way to find similarities/links within ourselves to the rest of the animal kingdom- it's hard to look over or deny.

you're leaving something behind: reason and instinct, i do think we are part of the animal kingdom but we are able to choose which path to take, they don't. the often rely on smell, touch or taste so so the fact that a male animal likes the smell of another male proves that they're not gay, they're lead by their insting and senses.
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  greven on Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:36 pm

Okay black guys cant be gay, some black guys may hump the same sex but that is just because they are gay, but because they are MEN and will hump anything, their hand, a vagina, the nabours dog, a pillow (I have seen it happen) an ass whatever.
Do you see where the bullshit came in? Wink
You didnt really have any facts to back up your animals cant be gay theory, you just based it on logic. and while that works in a lab it doesnt work IRL. Just like what I did, men are crazy about sex so they will hump anything they can get their little fella into right?
You need to base things like this on facts, I havent seen a single shread of evidence to your claim, or to Silvas for that matter, Silva seems to know what she is talking about by claiming to know the facts and fancy numberes, but for all the rest of us know you are both bullshitting on an epic scale.
I will agree with Ale that the male Penguin does nurture the eggs from what I have seen on TV, but again, I dont have a sourse so I could be bullshitting you couldnt I? But for all we know this might not be the gay penguiness Silva is talking about, after all she just said gay penguins and you assumed it was the egg thing, I did the same thing.


Reason and instinct is a funny one, because you dont need to look longer than to the nearest program about monkeys to see that they can make decision far beyond: eat, sleep, walk, have sex, repeat till you fall over dead.
You could argue that they are monkeys and therefor almost human, but they are still animals, and the very fact that they act like they do and are considered animals must be taken into account, because if just one species that is an animal, is able to decide like that, then where in the animal kingdom does this stop? Where does it stop being, fuck to multiply, and become, fuck because I like that other male panda. (I thought that was funny XD)

I have officially forgotten where I was going with this somewhere between the eat, sleep, have sex, repeat, and the gay panda. Peace out, hope you can figure out what I was trying to say.
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  Lunaris on Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:59 pm

Sex for pleasure, I think, requires a certain amount of one or both of two things.

1: Intelligence
2: Training

Creatures lacking both components tend to be driven more by instinct and primal urge than anything. This includes dogs, cats, deer, penguins, and similar animals.

These animals, especially dogs and horses, according to porn videos, can certainly be trained to pursue the act without regards to pure instinctual drives.

Other animals, such as bonobos and their cousins, the chimps, and even dolphins, possess intelligence enough to reason that it feels good. They have been shown to actively seek out sexual relations by both instinct and desire.

Whales...maybe. I don't know. I do know they lose over forty gallons of sperm to the ocean while mating though. And you thought that was a salty taste in the water...

But I've never heard of, say, a gay spider, or a gay snake, or a gay shark, or anything. Just animals that get caught up in the moment and go for it.

Just my opinion, but I haven't seen any evidence really to the contrary yet, and I'd be happy to examine any sent my way.
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  eSilva on Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:37 am

Ale: Why did you take it upon yourself to back up the religious aspect of my post? I wasn't talking your belief system specifically. First of all, gay penguins and simply the IDEA of a gay penguin, to me, is cute. I was not at all talking about protection of the egg- which thank you for trying to enlighten me about it, yet, I don't need enlightenment when it comes to the animal kingdom. Thanks anyway tho Smile.
I'm not entirely sure you got your point across. Are you saying that animals do not have reason? That they only act on instinct? I agree that they may not have the ability to reason like humans. The bigger the brain, more specifically the frontal lobe, the better the ability to reason. Not to mention the higher the possibility of something called "self awareness". But what I'm saying is that although not all animal species have the ability to reason, there are those that can. I'm sorry but to say that we CHOOSE what path we take? No, we don't. We are literally nurtured into what we are. Leave us to fend for ourselves (like the jungle boy) and we rely on INSTINCT (and most likely NONE of us would survive a NIGHT). My opinion is based on psychology. Not on ones personal logic. For one, animals may not even realize that they are engaging in "homosexual behaviour" they simply just don't see how it can be unnatural and that is my point with the title of this thread "Homosexuality is not against Nature" plain and simple Smile

Greven: you like the word 'claim" don't you? lol. If you want facts for or to the contrary you may look them up. I'm not about to waste my time on something as trivial as this entire thread. It's for fun. Not for discussion (you read that Ale? Wink so don't snap- CALMATE)

Lunaris: Thanks for thinking scientifically Smile
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  oldguy on Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:27 am

Hey guys, I'm glad to see that there are differing opinions and thought on the subject.
Thanks for bringing up the topic, eSilva, because I have somewhat wondered but not to the extent of
forming lest propagating a real opinion. Hmm. Believe I'll put my thoughts elsewhere and leave this one to the
Birds and Bees.
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  eSilva on Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:01 am

Glad to see that your glad to see diferreing opinions oldguy:)
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  Guest on Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:05 pm

guess what, guess what? I was watching Legally Blonde 2 and then realized that the dogs in that movie are gay! And i thought of this thread. It was hilarious! The best lines were "You're dogs are GAY!" and "I couldn't be prouder of the little flamer!" Also, "I knew Bruiser liked to wear my shoes but i just thought he just liked the height."

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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  eSilva on Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:43 pm

lol. Doesn't Bruiser go gay for a bulldog? I forget...>,>

Isn't legally blonde 2 Bruisers Bill too?
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Re: Homosexuality is not against nature

Post  oldguy on Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:20 pm

Oh ,man I forgot about that movie. I Love those lines.
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Post  Guest on Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:08 pm

I think Bruiser went gay for a rottweiler (sp?). Anyways, it's funny cuz in the next scene both dogs are wearing leather! and spikey collars! Way to enforce a stereotype! lol

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