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Post  ReiDavidson on Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:43 pm

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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Avie on Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:08 pm

Ugh I don't even know where to start on this. I wasn't aware of this until I read the link..and I would have to agree with the critics of the Kinsey Scale...
Sexuality is much more intricate than that.
Must everything be recorded and sorted through scales and graphs ?
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  greven on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:03 pm

Whether or not this thing is actually true is not important if you ask me.
Sexuality is not something that should be measured like that, it comes from the soul, it comes from the heart, it comes from love.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Joneko on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:26 pm

There actually developed from the Kinsey Scale a four-dimensional measurement system that tried to -- ah, it's the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid -- build on the Kinsey scale by measuring different values and areas of sexuality. The problem I find with the grid is that it measures on emotional, social, sexual, and lifestyle, and I don't know that these necessarily all have to do with the makeup of a person's "sexuality"; that is, I find it to be too broad. I build emotional attachments to men, but I don't necessarily want anything to do with them sexually. And lifestyle is a very cultural-based thing; the "homosexual lifestyle" isn't a measuring point IMO.

I think the Kinsey Scale is a fun something to think about, and it may be more...'accurate'? than the Klein Grid as far as I feel the definition of one's sexuality stretches. What one has to remember is that when it was created, Kinsey's scale was really out-there. More than black and white in sexuality? GASP. He was actually a sort of pioneer for even suggesting such a thing. So whether or not it's a concrete measurement is sort of a given no by a lot of people in the modern day, where a lot of people take the existence of things like bisexuality and pansexuality for granted, but in its historical context, the scale wasn't only the most accurate thing out there in terms of what people had previously thought, it was actually rather shocking.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  ReiDavidson on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:41 pm

Well, I differ in opinion. I think the only major flaw of the Kinsey scale is that it doesn't include asexuality. But like Kinsey, I think sexuality can change over time and that some of us are more "gay" than others. I don't think one should test themselves on the grid and say "That's what I am" but I do believe there's some validity in the basis of the Kinsey scale, and that's that there doesn't have to be gay, straight and bi. I see all sorts of examples in society of people who are very straight, very gay and some who are just plain in the middle, but I also see people who can be attracted to a gender but maybe does not feel emotionally connected to that same gender.

I like it because it provides more options than gay straight and bi. It opens us up for people of all kinds and alignments. I feel only three choices, like only having two genders, forces people into boxes they may or may not fit. At least this way I don't have to say "I like girls but I can see how some guys are hot. And I like guy/guy porn. And straight porn. But I'd never date or have sex with a boy." Instead I just say "I'm about a 4.7 on the Kinsey Scale."
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Joneko on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:52 pm

...4.7 huh? Me too. XD

Which is funny because we're there for pretty much the opposite reasons aren't we?
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  ReiDavidson on Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:10 pm

*preens innocently cause she knows she's the more hot blooded of the two*
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Fly Hue on Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:03 pm

I was indeed aware of this before hand (Thank you psychology class!) and I... just think it's completely unnecessary. Love and sexuality should not be referred to in such an cold manner.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  ReiDavidson on Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:29 pm

... I don't see it as cold...? I dunno, maybe it's just a difference in the feeling we get.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  greven on Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:08 pm

Well This thing does not include the last sexuality does it?

Asexuality
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  tara on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:35 am

I think it's a good thing, in principle. Because even though you might think it's 'cold' the fact that some people look at sexuality scientifically instead of going AAAAH!!! God would not approve, etc.etc.etc. It means that it's a part of humanity, it's real, it's fact. Not a delusion of sick people.


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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  greven on Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:30 am

tara wrote:I think it's a good thing, in principle. Because even though you might think it's 'cold' the fact that the some people looks at sexuality scientifically instead of going AAAAH!!! God would not approve, etc.etc.etc. It means that it's a part of humanity, it's real, it's fact. Not a delusion of sick people.


You know that is an excellent point Very Happy
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  tara on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:23 am

greven wrote:
tara wrote:I think it's a good thing, in principle. Because even though you might think it's 'cold' the fact that the some people looks at sexuality scientifically instead of going AAAAH!!! God would not approve, etc.etc.etc. It means that it's a part of humanity, it's real, it's fact. Not a delusion of sick people.


You know that is an excellent point Very Happy

Thanks!

And like a scientific theory it can be added onto and changed as research and time progresses onward. So just because it leaves out asexuality does not mean we can stick it on there ourselves.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  ReiDavidson on Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:54 am

greven wrote:Well This thing does not include the last sexuality does it?

Asexuality
Yes if you read back I said that to me, that was it's only major flaw.

And yes, exactly Tara! I feel that Kinsey put Sexuality in terms people who have never grappled with their own sexuality can understand.
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Post  tommym on Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:10 pm

The Kinsey Scale was a pioneering work done under diffacult circumstances.They questioned only a small segment of the American population .Try asking a stranger What do you do with your husband in bed ?when she's a "church lady" the Kinsey Scale at this point in time I think should be considered a scienctific stepping stone onto further knowledge In the same way the work of Masters and Johnson will some day be considered a scienctific stepping stone .. In view of todays
Neurological Brain Studies and how they have been enhanced by CAT scans MRI's PET scan's and anarray of work that spans the full spectrum of human sexulaity.What is needed is acceptance by all of a given persons sexual desires at a given point in their life span,.
I am a male who loves women yet I rather be a Woman than a male .I know this sounds strange but I HATE MEN! I hate their violence!
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  greven on Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:26 pm

You lost me around church lady, but you seemed to know what you were talking about Smile

tommym wrote:I am a male who loves women yet I rather be a Woman than a male .I know this sounds strange but I HATE MEN! I hate their violence!
Tommym /tammy

Now that is something I can relate to, Men really are a bunch of jerks, and we should know shouldnt we tommyn?
Girls are way more straight forward, I can tell you right here that nothing is holy when guys are talking, problem is you dont know if any of it is true.
And then there is the fact that we hate each others guts, because nature tells us to be the alfa male all the time we have to be big and manly all the time, and that equals acting like a jerk.

Oh and I have been asking a specific question in a lot of different places and I have come to a conclussion: Men can't cry. Im not kidding you.
It is almost a physical imposibility, I have never EVER cried because of a sad movie, because even though you feel like crying there is a single phrase that is just burned into every mans sub consience: Real men dont cry!
Shit. I have cryed over sad stuff resently but it actually takes effort to do so, you have to overcome the reflex of holding tears back. This is like trying to overcome the feeling of pain when someone is hitting you. And it actually really pisses me off that I have such a hard time crying, because crying can just completely clear your system od all the things that have been bothering you.
It is like recharging your emotional batteries in 10 minutes so refreshing and the biggest taboo in the world of men.
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kinsey scale valid or invalid

Post  tommym on Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:55 pm

Before I return to Kinsey, Masters and Johnson, Klien and Sex let me say this.My grandfather who raised me from before grammar school till about the fifth grade taught me to never never ever ever cry simple it worked psychologicaly for a long time .I was taught that was a bad emotion and it worked.Maybe also as my body was growing physically my tear ducts were hampered in thier natural growth .I don't know.Physical pain did not cause me to cry.I did cry when my girlfriend broke up with me when I was 18 years old.When my fatherdied I cried a bit on and off for some days When my mother died 3years later I cried my brains out I am not kidding about thisat one point Iwas laying on my back in a public place and cried and cried days like I never cried in my whole life I was born September 30, 1950 it truly was tramatic a year later I was digging mm on grave in a park planing to bury myself The deaths of a million people is a satistic the death of a loved one is a tragedy.

Yeah those pent up emotions like crying are vented by aggression.while men are killing for food women are speaking with each other need to leave
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  ReiDavidson on Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:11 am

Not all guys are violent. And ones who are are often victims of society's teachings.
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Felicity on Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:21 am

I think I saw that scale in my sister's Psych textbook. It isn't such a bad thing in principle, because it's trying to encompass all sexualities, but... it fails. It would need to have hundreds of little diversions for all the different sexualities found in people. Much better for people to put their sexuality into words instead of trying to fit it into this finite graph.

All of that aside, I'm an X physically and a 5 emotionally. Surprised
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Re: The Kinsey Scale: Valid or not?

Post  Joneko on Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:05 pm

I think part of the problem is that it was created within the construct that gender is binary, and that sexuality only has one narrow...field? Is that the word I want? That's not the word I want.
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