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Post  ReiDavidson on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:34 am

Fly Hue wrote:I'd have to admit that I'm guilty of that whole Rape to Love scenario, but in my defense I've seen the other stories that have done that and I feel secure enough to say that I think I've separated myself from that group. Namely, my main character encounters.... actual anguish for having been raped and feeling confusion towards the contradicting feelings of attraction as well as being aware that those feelings of attraction are pretty twisted... which leads to more anguish... DX I esteem myself in having not jumped from rape to "oh hey no biggie!". There is a very drawn out period to actually allow a transitioning of emotions.

My feelings on very bad plot lines is that even the stupidest ones can be pulled off if done right, like what Hopkins did with "The Composerz". ABSOLUTELY WRETCHED PLOT, but flipping amazing story telling!

Thinking back on my own story, I've double crossed the line into 'bad plot territory' by having one of those "Forbidden Love Between an Angel and a Demon" stories.
God I hate those. D<
I will never use that phrase because it's stupid and I don't want to even think about associating myself and my story with the "AngelXDemon" genre. There are just too many people writing those types of stories without having done any type of research on JudeoChristianIslamicorWhateverHaveYou Lore, and that's just the start of it.
I really like to think I've carried out my story in a much more... sensible kind of way.
Namely by not even feeling tempted to use the word "Forbidden". -gag-
I will admit I like the rape/love scenario for my porn. <.<;;;
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Re: What you want to see less of, what you want to see more of.

Post  Kiri on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:58 am

Ooh! An opportunity for a rant!

I want less of what I refer to as 'Pride and Prejudice Syndrome' in main romantic couples, which follows the formula of Instant Mutual Dislike upon meeting + One or more characters in the couple is a complete wanker = True and Eternal Love. Somehow. Surprised Maybe I'm inexperienced in the workings of relationships, but surely it doesn't tend to work like that? o.o It seems so prolific in shojo.
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Post  tara on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:15 pm

Kiri wrote:Ooh! An opportunity for a rant!

I want less of what I refer to as 'Pride and Prejudice Syndrome' in main romantic couples, which follows the formula of Instant Mutual Dislike upon meeting + One or more characters in the couple is a complete wanker = True and Eternal Love. Somehow. Surprised Maybe I'm inexperienced in the workings of relationships, but surely it doesn't tend to work like that? o.o It seems so prolific in shojo.

HA HA HA. That is so very true. Good one. Sure, hate/love is hot. It means you'll be arguing one second and making out the next. But still there can be TOO much of that.
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Post  Fly Hue on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:17 am

That is like... every story written by Rumiko Takahashi EVER. I mean, she's got a cute enough humor thing going on for some of her mangas, but could it have hurt her so much to use more than one romantic formula?

The thing I always do to avoid this is to make my characters friends first, hated enemies second. It's like... what everyone does in any normal friendship. You tease your friends but you don't blow up at them at every moment. That's so unrealistic. When you play-hate a friend, it's always clearly joking.
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Post  Joneko on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:54 am

But angry sex is hotter sex.

Joking. xD

Actually, Rei and I are proooobably guilty of...every single one of these so far...but we KNOW we're doing it so. And we don't generally do it in things we put out there, just for fun. ...even the rape thing. I think my favorite in that category was the original Charles and Kit, in which Charles wouldn't take no for an answer, and was then horrifically hurt and insulted when Kit said someone else's name later. *snerk*

I wonder if a lot of the stereotypes come from the fact that you mostly have women writing about gay men and men writing about gay women. For the most part. Published, anyway. They don't necessarily know how real relationship mechanics work so they rely on tried-and-true-and-overused formulas.

Except for Rumiko Takahashi. I don't know what her excuse is.

And Kiri, I had to giggle a little, because I hadn't really thought about it, but a bunch of friends and I had an old school anime marathon yesterday, mostly Sailor Moon...and we were marveling at how Usagi hated Mamoru and they just argued all the time, and then, she hated Seiya and argued with him all the time...maybe it's an insulting statement about the fickle young female mind XD
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Post  tara on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:19 pm

Also something that I am sick to DEATH of, something which is mostly in anime/manga land which drives me crazy, is that characters have the emotional depth of a teaspoon. I mean the characters that burst out crying at the drop of the hat, or the characters that will hit one another to express their anger. Also? Chibis. Which contributes to this point. Turning your characters into little babies, complete laziness!

I know it's also a matter of personal taste! It grates on me.
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Post  Fly Hue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:53 am

Oh my god, Totally. There's always that one character that everyone thinks is so effing cute and you don't understand because all he does is whine and cry and you want him to just shut up so you can go back to enjoying the story! D:

Gabriel is a rape victim but even he can hold the tears in for moments that deserve it!
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Post  Fly Hue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:55 am

Also, I'd like to take this moment to say that this is my absolute favorite thread in this forum, ever. Its creation was genius.


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Post  ReiDavidson on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:41 pm

I think some of the things we're discussing here are okay to play with. And okay to do in say... mine and Jo-Jo's personal RPs. But I think if you want to make a really good, entertaining story some things are better left out. A lot of the things we're talking about are things people add to get themselves off basically. Very Happy;;; So why do the rest of us care, y'know?
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Re: What you want to see less of, what you want to see more of.

Post  Kiri on Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:29 pm

Joneko wrote:But angry sex is hotter sex.

True! XD I only object to relationships being founded on general hate. The hate can come later, by all means Cool Ahem.

I like the menage a trois idea, I never thought of that as a plot...that'd be fun, actually Smile
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Post  Joneko on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:38 pm

Functioning Trois are adorable actually. I'd love to try one out. ...I mean um...in writing. Not...

... /// I knew what I meant.
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Post  Fly Hue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:38 pm

ReiDavidson wrote:I think some of the things we're discussing here are okay to play with. And okay to do in say... mine and Jo-Jo's personal RPs. But I think if you want to make a really good, entertaining story some things are better left out. A lot of the things we're talking about are things people add to get themselves off basically. :D;;; So why do the rest of us care, y'know?

It's like what I had said previously with The Composerz. Any bad plot can be done if done well.
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Re: What you want to see less of, what you want to see more of.

Post  ReiDavidson on Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:50 pm

true...
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Post  curlpop on Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:10 am

I can agree with all your peeves. One of the things I see too much of are male characters that are gay that act and look like women. Sometimes it's alright, you know, cute, but its not realistic. Sure, there are effeminate men, but not everyone is like that.
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Post  ReiDavidson on Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:45 am

I can be guilty of that, but less so now than in the past.
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Post  ASS0RTED CANDiES on Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:13 pm

tara wrote:
Not want:
-Comics that start with the two main characters meeting when they bump into each other or spill coffee on one another or get hit in the head with a soccer ball or some other physical comedy moment. And then there is the dreamy sequence of "why do I feel this way about them?" directly after. It is DONE!

LOL Guilty as charged! xD *shotdead*

I don't know if i'm repeating anyone else because i was too lazy to read all the comments so yeah.. xD

Want: Equality in relationships. Women who want to be males. More interracial couples.

Do Not Want: Forced sex and then after that it's all peachy and everyone is happy. Relationships with no obstacles. SEME and UKE crap. Unrealistically flawless characters that nothing bad ever happens to.
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Re: What you want to see less of, what you want to see more of.

Post  Fly Hue on Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:04 pm

ASS0RTED CANDiES wrote:
SEME and UKE crap.
YUS! -highfive!-
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Post  Joneko on Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:10 am

ASS0RTED CANDiES wrote:
Want: Equality in relationships. Women who want to be males. More interracial couples.

Heehee. Rei and I have to introduce you to some of our babies. ACTUALLY there's going to be an interracial couple later on in Piper. Rei, tho, shhh, don't say who.
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Post  ReiDavidson on Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:25 am

... Considering of the 8 main playing characters, one is Japanese, one is French-Japanese, and one is black there's actually multiple interracial couples.
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Post  tara on Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:37 am

Aaah! So true. Would love to see more inter-racial couples. Not just in comics, but in real life. Ha! Also: movies. I still can't believe it's a big deal when Will Smith gets with a white girl, or something.
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Post  Joneko on Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:36 pm

ReiDavidson wrote:... Considering of the 8 main playing characters, one is Japanese, one is French-Japanese, and one is black there's actually multiple interracial couples.

...yeswell. Obviously Joanna had a...brain...moment. >.>;
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Post  ReiDavidson on Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:58 am

You can't brain, have the dumb?
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Post  Joneko on Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:17 pm

Can't brain, have the dumb, forgot Simon Takeshi counted as half of an interracial couple.
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Post  ASS0RTED CANDiES on Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:49 pm

tara wrote:Aaah! So true. Would love to see more inter-racial couples. Not just in comics, but in real life. Ha! Also: movies. I still can't believe it's a big deal when Will Smith gets with a white girl, or something.

I agree! I always watch the movies like if there's a black girl among white girls and when they go on dates and stuff the white girls all have white boyfriends there 'just so happens' to be a black guy just for the black girl. it's like... um ok... <.< but i guess i'll never truely understand the deal against same race couples since my parents are an inter-racial couple. :/

and ooh i just started reading Piper. Looks interesting~~~hurr hurr hurr xD
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Post  greven on Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:06 am

ASS0RTED CANDiES wrote:
I agree! I always watch the movies like if there's a black girl among white girls and when they go on dates and stuff the white girls all have white boyfriends there 'just so happens' to be a black guy just for the black girl. it's like... um ok... <.< but i guess i'll never truely understand the deal against same race couples since my parents are an inter-racial couple. :/

You know I never even thought of that, but it is kind of strange I do have to agree with the fact that it is wierd.
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